If so, Georgie went up the ranks quick, especially for a Jewish Hungarian who was 15 by the end of wwii. “Why don’t you trust the government, Hans?”, “Gee, I don’t know. World; News ‘A small cog in the Nazi death machine’: Oskar Groening, 96, dies without serving sentence. Published. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00tsl60/episodes/guide. From Oskar Gröning's wikipedia page (literally the article the OP linked to): Gröning wanted to join an elite army unit and set his sights on joining the Schutzstaffel. However, he decided to publish his story after meeting a Holocaust denier, even though he was incriminating himself by doing so. Sort by. The child was lying on the ramp, wrapped in rags. I was a monster. As I said before, I still wouldn't have joined the SS. It should be noted that the term they gave him was nearly as low as they could go. Groening acknowledged complicity in … Most billionaires throw their money at neutral or conservative causes, I think Soros every once in a while throws his at an ever so slightly progressive one and several liberal ones.... Also he's Jewish. In threads like this, comments starting "To be fair" are virtually guaranteed 'booism or exculpatory arguments for why war criminals weren't really bad guys. Take that, libtards! They developed disinformation tactics for the fossil fuel corporations which have tried to hide the impacts of climate change from the populace, by funding climate change deniers. A mother had left it behind, perhaps because she knew that women with infants were sent to the gas chambers immediately. He should have been happy to be punished, as you said. Trump represents the political victory of the Dark Money crowd. Whether it has fully subverted the mainstream political process will be made clear in November. Dying before prison has left him a despicable Nazi who was never punished for his crimes, and given that he would never have served a sentence long enough to even begin to punish him, I think this is better than the two years in prison sympathetic 'reformed Nazi' image he would have cut. That’s just the narrative the liberal left would have you believe. For an optimal experience visit our site on another browser. Just out of raw curiosity, because its hard to find a good answer, why do people specifically hate george soros? I saw this in TIL and refuted two posts people had made with sources and was downvoted. A powerful contingent on the Far Right and US Christian Fundamentalism want to establish something like a fundamentalist theocracy/authoritarian military regime in the US. Similarly in the view of the public who's world view is shaped by the tabloids (Daily Mail), he would have been 'rehabilitated' despite serving a minuscule sentence in comparison to his crimes. Oskar Groening was convicted in July 2015 of being an accessory to the murder of 300,000 Jews and sentenced to four years in prison. The Lueneburg state court said Monday Groening's trial would open April 21, The Associated Press reported. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. In 2015, Oskar Groening was found guilty of being an accessory to mass murder and sentenced to four years in prison, in what is likely to have been one of the last big Holocaust trials. Oskar Groening, a former Nazi SS officer who is often referred to as the "bookkeeper of Auschwitz," admitted his guilt Wednesday during a trial in Lueneburg, Germany, in which he is charged with 300,000 counts of accessory to murder. Oskar Groening was convicted in July 2015 of aiding and abetting the murders of 300,000 people. Yea. This is where people should be focusing their anger and public rants.”. Advice and questions welcome. Germany surrendered in 1945. What saddens and appalls me is that I see so many people I know getting deeply emotionally invested in the pseudo-conspiracy narratives that I consider to be, in all probability, Right Wing funded PsyOps (like Qanon). Not a white supremacist, but I am certainly sick of your Jewry. 1 GG). Bookkeeper of Auschwitz Oskar Groening, 96, declared fit for prison. He confesses in quite a lot of detail during his time there, also mentions how he stole valuables off the victims and the steps he took to conceal his involvement in the Holocaust from the Allies. It's scary to think about. I'm sure you would of stood up against everyone once you got put into the accounting firm at Auschwitz. He didn't pay migrant workers from Honduras to march to the US, as Fall of the Cabal states. From the US Holocaust Museum's website: Germans who refused to participate in atrocities were generally not punished, but risked peer, social, and sometimes professional exclusion or disadvantage. He funds infrastructure that helps advance the civil rights movement. Former SS guard Oskar Groening, center, leaves the court building after the first day of the trial against him in Lueneburg, northern Germany, on April 21, 2015. Cookies help us deliver our Services. He is proof that even good people can get involved in bad situations. Oskar Gröning, 96, was sentenced to prison for his role in the murder of 300,000 people at Auschwitz death camp. Even if he had been, would he not be just another conscripted child soldier? People generally don't have a good grasp of history. Now we are facing near-term ecological collapse because of this 40 year campaign engineered by energy companies and Right Wing tycoons. Question is, what was he accounting and where. It's an interesting question. He failed morally at the time, and he failed morally for 40 years. It's meant he's died in relative (according to the general public) obscurity. Not sure what it was specifically that pushed him into the limelight like he is now, but I have no doubt a large part of it is the fact that he's Jewish, Hes a jewish person and most right wing populists kinda flirt with nazism and believing it's the Jews who are the ruling class and they want to progress society and ruin traditional western values... pretty much all of it is bs but yeh. So in those final years he was given the test once more, and he failed again. Oskar Groening, in what could be one of Germany's last big Holocaust trials, is accused of being an accessory to the murder of 300,000 people … A court in the northern city of Lueneburg, which has been hearing the case since April, is to read out its judgement on 94 year old Oskar Groening from 0730 GMT. This myth appears a lot in this thread. I am gonna go through and try to find some of the better comments in thread and post them here. What was the tipping point? For crimes such as his, there are no halfways. You do know all Germans didn't have a choice. Is a white collar desk job office worker in Auschwitz really who actively objects to the whole situation really that much different than an Apple iProduct consumer who, sure, isn't a big fan of tyrannical child labor and slave like conditions, but still uses the devices anyway? It is like the Holocaust or all the other atrocities were just some natural disaster, and some Germans (who definitely did not approve) just happened to be around. That's the difference here, Oskar Gröning went out of his way to join an organization that pledged total loyalty to Hitler and an organization that had already begun deporting Jews. They support think tanks and intellectuals like Charles Murray, author of The Bell Curve, who provide intellectual cover for attacks on social services. Generally on Reddit, when something like this comes up, there are legions of posters that jump up to excuse, minimize or deflect the actions of the German participants in WW2. However in any case Biden is not going to support the level of radical change we need to ensure our near-term survival in the face of catastrophic species loss and accelerating climate change. He learned during his early life that markets operate impersonally, like machines. I don't think it is right, but that is the game that our society allows them to play. I highly recommend it. Groening going to prison was a bad thing. For example, they can't seem to grasp there was a BIG difference between the German Army and the SS. This group is marching toward its goal and has already succeeded, to some extent. He should have stood up before the court and said "Yes. Do you pay taxes? Seven decades after World War II, a German court sentenced Oskar Groening, 94, to four years in prison for accessory to the murder of 300,000 Hungarian Jews … There are tons of billionaires all heavily lobbying the government and throwing their money for influence. Oskar Groening, the 93-year-old dubbed the "accountant of Auschwitz," will go on trial in April to face charges that he was an accessory to 300,000 murders as a Nazi death camp guard. He’s actually older than his official records. Gotta love such tidbits as ‘most of reddit likes to think they would be white rose but they would not’ which is true since firstly reddit is full of Nazi sympathisers and secondly reddit has a lot of ‘degenerates’ like myself(commie) who would have been rounded up by the state before we could attempt to resist. Which uh, if you know anything about marxism at all youd know how stupid that is. From Oskar Gröning's wikipedia page (literally the article the OP linked to): Gröning wanted to join an elite army unit and set his sights on joining the Schutzstaffel. Plus with the state of Germany at the time Hitler took advantage of them at a weak state. I don't know why I feel sorry for him after all that. What made conspiracy theorists specifically dogpile on this one? The … Look into Betsy De Vos whose brother Eric Prince founded Blackwater (now Academi) the largest mercenary army in the world. Oskar Groening, 93, will stand trial next spring for his role in maintaining the Auschwitz concentration camp in occupied Poland during World War II. Plenty of people peacefully resisted without joining any specific organizations. Jillian Kitchener reports. They claimed that he was guilty because he took a desk job at Auschwitz. He’s actually older than his official records. Where was that moral fiber during the act? He only asked to be transfered after witnessing this: ...a baby crying. More posts from the TheRightCantMeme community, Press J to jump to the feed. I'm glad you have first hand experience to tell us what the Nazi's did and did not force people to do. ELI5:Why is Oskar Groening a 94-year-old former bookkeeper & guard at Auschwitz Birkenau guilty of 300000 counts of accessory to murder in WWII But Bush Sr , Bush Jr Bill Clintion & Obama are not prosecuted for Iraq & Afghanistan wars they ordered that killed millions of innocent people ? Oskar Groening is known as the "bookkeeper of Auschwitz" for his job counting cash taken from the Nazi death camp's victims during World War Two. I'd like to think I would be in the resistance with my now perspective, but would I? Quite impressive considering how the SS only accepted ages 18 and up. Better that we have him talking about the horrors of the Holocaust on the outside to BTFO deniers at this point. If I had it my way this Kraut fuck would be hanged in Auschwitz. He was 96. Oskar Groening did not kill anyone himself while working at the Auschwitz death camp, but is convicted of being an accessory to the murder of 300,000 people in 1944. Oskar Gröning: Former SS 'bookkeeper of Auschwitz' to start jail sentence after appeal fails The 96-year-old will soon start his four-year prison term for his role in the murders of 300,000 people. I think its good that he never made it to prison. Because their attention has been distracted and their minds have been hacked by this propaganda machine, they do not focus their attention or anger on the proper targets - on what is actually happening. Rather than distancing himself from the man he was at auschwitz and acting like that man was a different person, he needed to own that man and accept that he too was a perpetrator. Contrastingly, it is not necessary to defer the state’s right to punish crimes if sufficient means are available to ensure proper medical care and avert acute health risks. Oskar Groening, the Auschwitz bookkeeper who was convicted at age 94 after a Munich court cleared the way for the prosecution of low-ranking officials accused of indirectly committing Nazi war crimes, has died. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. That's why life without parole was found to be unconstitutional, for example (violating the principle of human dignity as mandated by Art. Why not hold is all accountable? These are the kind of people we should be calling out publicly, day after day. It's great that he spoke out against Holocaust denial, but that doesn't suddenly absolve him of his crimes. Nice. Or you could be an idiot who hates him because hes a jew and they think hes somehow spreading marxism. A German court has … Yep, because paying taxes is the exact same thing as volunteering for a genocidal paramilitary organization led by fascist dictators who's expressed purpose is the complete and utter destruction of European Jewry, Disabled People, Gay People, Roma People, Slavic People, Latvian People, etc. Non-Germans serving as auxiliaries and refusing to carry out direct orders to kill could be subject to discipline, dismissal, imprisonment, or even death. Former SS officer Oskar Groening, dubbed the "bookkeeper of Auschwitz", asked for "forgiveness" over his role in mass murder at the Nazi death camp, as his German trial began today. I feel that in the end, part of him knew it was right for him to be punished and wanted to- but that he was simply too weak to take that step. However he funds many on-the-ground civil rights groups over the long term that spring into action when protests etc happen. I confess I have some sympathy for him. metro.co.uk/2017/0... 0 9 6 4 4690. comments. How did that defence turn out at Nuremberg again? Thus people now claim that he was an officer in the SS who hunted down jews and is secretly still working for Hitler... To help the jews overthrow the world. TIL of Oskar Gröning, a German soldier who worked at Auschwitz but was able to hide it for 40 years. It's almost as if those "actions" were aiding in the fucking Holocaust. He decided to master that game, which meant he couldn't think about how the money was made. In the event that convicted persons face an imminent danger to life or serious threats to their health, the sentence may not be executed. This is how all sociopathic currency speculators etc operate. The film Mr Deep State is part of this negative propaganda campaign, as is the popular "Fall of the Cabal" series. We are all guilty. Oskar Groening, known as the "bookkeeper of Auschwitz", was sentenced to four years in prison in 2015 for being an accessory to murder at Auschwitz. PHOTO: REUTERS. After all, if one plans on dominating the world, one must start young. The only good Nazi named Oscar had a movie made about him by Spielberg. People keep linking to this comment, like it absolves Oskar of all responsibility: To be fair, he was an accountant who was transferred to Auschwitz without knowing it was an extermination camp; who sought, and was denied, a transfer to another bureaucratic position elsewhere after learning of its function; and who finally gained a transfer (to the frontlines, no less) towards the end of the war. It is not like there weren’t many of them or anything. ... help Reddit App Reddit coins Reddit premium Reddit gifts. Depends on who hates him. Oskar Gröning was interviewed for the 2005 BBC documentary Auschwitz: the Nazi and the Final Solution. Oskar Groening, the 94-year-old former Nazi officer and described “accountant of Auschwitz”, was convicted Wednesday of over 300,000 counts … If he has that much supposed moral fibre after the fact he would find it necessary himself right? TIL Running accounting books = murdering people. In light of the requirement that prison sentences be executed humanely convicted persons must, in principle, be given a realistic prospect of regaining freedom even if their guilt was found to be particularly serious. Since he was only sentenced for "aiding" (§ 27 StGB), the lowest possible sentence would have been three years (§ 49 (1) 1 StGB). This is why they are using disinformation campaigns, misleading media, etc, to attack him. R7: Plenty of people not only defending the Wehrmacht, but also defending the SS because "they didn't know what was happening to the Jews either". hide. Groening was born in 1921 and died in 2018. That’s just the narrative the liberal left would have you believe. 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